tiling over redguard

August 6, 2013, 9:26 pm, Just found this fabulous site. Do you have any suggestions on how to get it off? If at any point you have a question or tip of your own, please type it in the comment section below. Yes and No. December 22, 2012, 2:19 pm. Thanks very much! I am completely remodeling our bathroom and as of now I’m just finishing up screwing in the last durorock piece. I know this is hella late but I know how you feel. It will update your dependencies to point to Tamriel_Data.esm as well as the new … i.e., it should be resting on the deck of the tub, not on the top of the lip. The plan is to float 2-3 rows of tile onto the green board, 3×6 inch subway tile. I’ve taped it, as you’ve shown. Great question Ward and if you’re concerned I want to reassure you that if you followed the directions you should be good. I’ve always loved construction and have gotten many a book from the library to learn about building houses. Hey Todd, thanks for the question. I’d opt for Wedi or Schluter KERDI-BOARD instead of the cement board and roofing paper. [ok, you may say it’s too pricey for the MMM budget, but doing it now sure beats the expense of flying back out in the future. Copy Laticrete linear drain because has flashings. I have a question. After this dries, you’re back to a standard tile job: Do the floor and grout it first (for greatest waterproofing), then work your way up the walls the next day. Hi there about Red guard not sticking to my dry pack floor. So now I have it all over my brand new bathtubs and floors. Hello Jeff. Wanting to put porcelain tiles over it and live in midwest , so there are cold winters. Now what do you do to the drywall in the rest of the Bathroom (other than the Bathtub area) regarding waterproofing. Hydro Ban is also another option to waterproof cement board. The lower part gets embedded into the concrete, perfectly flush (see my second sketch). It’s an elusive black-ops creation that almost nobody knows how to build in this country, which is why you see so many plastic showerpans out there. Unfortunately, we had someone install our bathtub and they put Wonderboard behind the bathtub, not floating it at all. Since the index page of website's root directory is often the first page of a Web site that a user sees, it is sometimes used to offer a menu of language options for large Web sites that use geo targeting.It is also possible to avoid this step, for example by using content negotiation.. Jeff, Thank you for the write up, it has been VERY helpful. Thanks for your help! once I screw in the bolts and flang then screw in the drain itself in, it sticks up about 1 inch. Since the house currently has only a single bathroom, I’m considering adding a half bath as well. Thanks! By going with the concrete board are there no worries behind the tile? Water can find the smallest space in a bathtub or shower space and create a big stinky problem over time. Thanks for all of the instructions. Leave as is? Hey Jeff, Noticed that you filled your cement board corners with tape and thinset. The thin-set will need to dry for about a day. Wow, right on Kerry! :), ShavenLlama For example, when I tore out the 1978 showers in my first house, it was just cheap builder tile over plain paper drywall. December 23, 2012, 1:54 pm, We’ll be getting to work on the master bath this spring here at Chez Llama, if you need a subject for that Tiling 101 article! GE Miller Send me an email at [email protected]rtutor.com and we can talk more about your options. I just recently build my home and had the builder finish the drywall in the basement. I just completed the concrete pan on my own shower. ;). It will have to be custom glass because the door is actually at an angle, so the glass will be three sides with the door cutting off the corner. We just had to have someone reinstall 2 windows we tried to do ourselves. I plan on using a good primer with some vapor barrier components and then laytex pain. If you’d like you can send me some pictures via email. I actually called Custom Building Products (they make RedGard) before this installation and asked them about which mortar to use. I’m sure you did a great job 😀. You can add silicone caulk with Microban (DAP is my favorite brand right now) to the space between the cement board and pipes.Then add RedGard. I noticed you only did the redgard up to about a persons standing height. This should be fine when combined with tile and grout (remember that water is not resting/pooling on walls) but there should be a moisture barrier placed between the hardibacker and the studs. I have a similar job re-tiling a bath/shower – was going to use cement-board (knauff aqua-panel ) to avoid the need for tanking everything – you can just tile on directly, aparently these boards stay sound even if fully submerged! My best advice is to call Custom Building Products and ask them. Look into low cost and free homeowner workshops in your area. Since I can use red guard on the green oars above the tile what type of vapor barrier do you recommend. But MMM, not putting something behind the CBU or plywood on the walls is a mistake, I think. Then it is easy to clean with a scrub brush when the time comes. -Megan. Let me know if you have any questions 🙂, Hi Jeff, I enjoy your articles. Curing also happens faster in high temperature. My question. This means RedGard will expand and contract ever so slightly to prevent cracks from forming in the shower tile. You can either snap chalk lines or use a pencil & level to mark the area where the tiles will go. December 21, 2012, 4:42 pm. Ya need to put something on the bottom plywood and wertical wood to prevent direct connections concrete-wood. It was a “luxury shower” built almost 20 years ago, but it didn’t even experience 20 years of constant use. Mold resistant is epoxy grout. Moisture failure can take a number of years before it appears. Enjoy your stay in paradise! I am in the process today of demolishing an old school shower built this way — concrete pan, rubbery/vinyl looking liner, tiles, etc. Thanks so much. Especially right next to the bathtub– it’s noticeably warped. I don’t have space left in this article to explain the entire art of tiling a shower, but perhaps I’ll have a chance to work with you in person on one of these things someday. Now once you get your hole cut out in your tile flip it over so you’re staring at the back of it. It appears you chose unmodified thinset for the backerboard seams- was this intentional knowing that Redguard would be going overtop? Here’s an example of an irregularly shaped angle form I made last year to squeeze a shower into the small bathroom of The Foreclosure Project: An angled form. How much more time do you think was spent finding project materials on the cheap than if you were just running to home depot? Thanks! February 25, 2013, 8:22 am. Also I am doing this on an exterior wall. Will need to pay for the concrete work (bad back and I’m 74 years old). Believe me I hate posing this question because I just finished ceiling my grout today…. Yes, do not even look at expensive stuff membranes as Schulter etc. I just installed a mat for heated flooring and tiled over it and textured the bathroom wall…..very first ever project like that and I survived. I did a very similar tile shower in my basement 2 years ago. I pkan on tiling, can I use packer screws to appky the purple board, can I apply a thinset over the purple board and the use a waterproofing membrane??? I had a shower remodeled about 1 year ago. Hi Jeff, If we’re using 3×6 subway tiles in our shower, how critical is it to float the surround walls. But before doing that call Custom Building Products (the maker of RedGard) and ask for their opinion. Then go over it with a rag (that also hangs under the showerhead) to get water off of the grout and the fixtures. This will provide a nice 3/4″ slope to allow water to flow down into the drain. This mortar also meets ANSI A118.4 and ANSI A118.15 standards. This is especially true at the seams between two cement board panels or a cement board panel and existing drywall. Is the green board adjacent to the shower, i.e. The total can still be only a few hundred dollars if you shop well (ours was even less, due to Craigslist). For many DIY home renovators, learning this skill it is an investment with enormous returns. Both Wedi and KERDI-BOARD are easy to install and provide warranties, which is always a great thing. I don’t want to go back to replace seams etc. Before I do this I put extra pieces of 3×4 to bottom and top of 2x4s and screw them to bottom and side of 2×4.after I put sideway 2×4 I put extra crossmembers 2×4 or 2×6. But you should also have a ventilation fan that will suck out all the moisture and out through the roof or wall to the exterior. We are waterproofing and tiling 3 walls of a new shower install and considering timing the ceiling over the shower enclosure also. I plan to Redgard every inch of where the tile is going and I’ll snap a few chalk lines. Feel free to post your pictures over on our private Facebook group, you’ll have to join and I’ll approve you. Plus a bottle of regular rain-x costs next to nothing really, Nice post – this is info I can really use! Can anyone advise. I have an existing shower…tile goes all the way up to the ceiling. Or is this the result of crappy builder-grade git-er-done tile work? Quotes for a custom longer, narrower shower are way out of my price range. As long as you aren’t building a 100SF shower or something really unusual. I just built my first shower pan too, mostly because I didn’t want to pay the $100+ price tag for prefab crap. This really is going to work and look wonderful. I’m remodeling my own bathroom and instead of tile, I’m using wood in the shower, like this: http://www.houzz.com/photos/59494/Master-Bathroom-remodel-modern-bathroom-san-francisco. If you’re going to do this kind of project give their technical assistance line a call cause they’re pretty darn responsive and give good advice. We have a full bath and plan to tile the shower on our own. Then let that concrete cure, and add your Redguard, over all the concrete and extending right over the edge of the plastic. DIY Bathroom Remodeling Phase 3 (The Right Bathroom Wall Materials), DIY Bathroom Remodeling: Phase 4 (How to Cut Circles in Cement Board), How to Install Schluter KERDI BOARD (Step-by-Step), How to Tile a Shower Wall...9 Quick Tips for a better bathroom, How to Install Moen Shower Valves with Home Repair Tutor, Roll it on the wall with a 3/4 inch nap roller. It looked roughly like this: Old showerpan method – concrete, rubber, concrete, tile. I read where you don’t want to go over the tub lip due to expansion and contraction, as well as having an issue with a non-flat surface for the tile. Keep up the good work! I usually make these things 5″ tall and 4″ thick, so you simply cut two 5″ boards to length, screw them to the floor and walls as needed, and be sure there is a 4″ space between them. “But I’ve built at least 20 showers like this now, and I can still look at the oldest one from below and verify perfectly dry wood beneath- no leaks. In addition, Wedi and KERDI-BOARD are way easy to install. In cases where no index.html exists within a given directory, the web server may be configured to … It’s complicated, but for various reasons we didn’t want to make our new floor area by pouring additional concrete. Then paint. To save money buy epoxy grout and sanded grout from Laticrete same color. I will be removing my Kohler tub surround and replacing it with a Kohler shower base with a seat. Or is the Schluter paper the only way to waterproof a shower floor panel? Trish Boyce Mike Peterson We are able to peel it up in the places that it’s thick, but we can’t seem to get it off in the areas that are thin. I helped pull the wire, but it’s just smart hiring pros.) Otherwise, the paint job of the adjacent wall next to the tile will look less than crappy (and we mean this in the nicest sense). This involves creating a wooden form and filling it with concrete. did you use any other materials to water proof or secure it? But it all starts with the poured showerpan. I’ve been on several islands in the 90’s, except for the big island, so that’s my plan next time I get out there. Should Redguard be used over the cement before lying the tile? This blog post is getting an immediate bookmark! 4.I dont put drain into center. Jeff, Would you suggest that we only use RedGuard on the seams and the area of the cement board above the tub flange if we are using Swanstone tub panels (x 3) for the tub surround. I can’t find a solid answer online. DYNA-MAC Engineering provides shop drawing, high safety standard, high quality assurance and quality control procedures. I also have an outside corner bead for the same transition between materials on the other side of the tub. Since I took the backer board to the ceiling, I guess that is another transition. When you did your curb with wood only, did you just waterproof it with the redguard? As such we chose not to add a vapor barrier but rather let the walls breathe naturally. The most useful comments are those written with the goal of learning from or helping out other readers – after reading the whole article and all the earlier comments. I was planning on pouring the pan first and then hanging the cement fiber board. Could I negate the use of a waterproofing membrane by substituting it with Red Guard? The thin-set was the same kind used to adhere the tiles to the cement board panels and the consistency should allow it to just barely hang off a margin trowel or putty knife. So can we just Redguard over that and install tile from there? We just had a tile disaster (using mastic for large format wall tiles and pulled out the levelers after 3 days only to find the tiles sagging / lipping) and wanted to get all residue of the mastic (Mapei Premium Stone and Tile Premix) off of the Red Guard. The Poured Showerpan may seem like an elusive and tricky task, but the whole thing is about 4 hours of work from start to finish once you work out the kinks (and still under 8 even the first time). Do we need to gut it all over again? Those are interesting.. I’ll need to start with a bench or office table before even contemplating a shower. So I’m sure you’ll be fine. I’ve come across a couple of unknowns that I can’t seem to resolve from other online sources that I hope you can clarify: With your new method, how do you deal with the small amount of water that makes it through the tile/grout to the barrier? No water penetration that I can tell, and it’s been a month. Great info, Jeff! Dan, Your email address will not be published. Did this article ever get updated like you mention? We used it in our current tub surround around the CBU joints around a window. Hmmm. Any type of special paint you use? Do you put plastic foil behind it or just use latex paint? July 9, 2015, 10:42 am. It would be virtually impossible for this design not to be watertight, as long as you do tidy work. Not a call back 1. Now if the tub was on an outside wall it brings up a ton of other questions. Now for the added assurance that I will never have to replace this shower again, I decided to add a man tame layer. I’m looking at ideas for my friend’s cabin. I think they look pretty nice – and you only need one in theory, where you join the final drain from your whole house, into the output to the street.. if you re-do everything else, that is. How should this joint detail come together? What are the pros and cons of Redguard vs. a product like Ditra (the orange fleece-coated plastic sheets they use on Holmes on Homes)? Using one of those rubber couplers just looks incredibly cheesy to me. Morning Jeff,,ty for your time,,,my questions, ,ok doing wife’s bathroom over,,,here is we’re I’m at,,I installed perma base cement board,,my seams ,corners all done with fiba tape for cement,,,I started taking out low spots in my wall ,,before I waterproof, ,,I was using thinset,,,,,,,I ran out in middle of doing this,,I started using mortar mix,,I had left over from my shower pan,,,,,Jeff I leveled 2 walls,,,,,I’m thinking of doing my last wall again in thinset, it’s easier to use,,,question Jeff,,am I going to have issues were I used mortar mix,it’s stil, cement and I’m waterproofing with Lowe’s mapie brand,,,after,,,the whole shower,,and floor,,,,,also cement boards are rough not smooth, I take it ,it’s for bonding better when I tile, ,using mortar mix kept it rough, do I need to shoot this out,or is a little rough better,,,,,ty so much ,,,your help here would ease my mind. I thought we just started tiling now, but this 1/8” gap, which grows much larger at the front left corner of the tub (big gap), is concerning. Jeff Gibson Great how to and ready to tear out our molded plastic shower booth. What do we do at the transition between the cement board and the tub? Otherwise you’ll have red boogers to remove from the wall. Is this a problem? I am remodeling another bathroom and I plan to use the same technique the contractor used on my other shower, except this one is a bathtub/shower. Or after you do a thorough cleaning and let it dry. You guys provide amazing content. You’d think these people were buying an outfit at Nordstrom’s, not a freaking abode. This is my first shower install and as I sit here I am worried that the 100% covering “layer” of Reguard might actually be a way for my tiles to fall off one day since they are not “directly connected to the Hardybacker… In other words I’m thinking I should have only used Red Guard in the most vulnerable areas and allowed the mortar mix to connect directly with the Hardybacker board for a secure connection – Question is are we sure a “layer” of Red Guard is safe and won’t prevent the motar from setting properly against the wall? Bill Abrahms Assuming you are going with glass for the luxury feel? Can Redguard be applied to the green board underneath? Thanks, Thanks for this – I’m waiting for my cement floor to cure in my shower. Great tips and advice. good spot – so its not ply at all, learning the US DIY terminology here – hardibacker and kerdi-boards, great stuff. Hi! 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